Copra: Kopparai - means Coconut shell. I would like to add an example to what Doctor Bruno exactly says, to make Mr. Hraefen clear about what he says. Google's free service instantly translates words, phrases, and web pages between English and over 100 other languages. He has not apologised for his error, which has been pointed out and proved. If you have a proof greater than an Indian Government Order, please cite that. Books published some 20 years ago do not have ISBN. Please give your postal address. I don't think that Wikipedia has a policy which permits me to call Mr.X a fool and the culture of Mr.Y's country as Speculation. Further, we need to define when should a word 'W' be said to be imported into language 'L' from source 'S'. While you are talking about non-negotiable rules of Wikipedia: WP:Verifiability how do you justify such statements from Nohat. Cry:Kurai(Dogs Barking, Animal Shouting), Kural(Loud Speech) AluKural=Crying Loud, Imil Kural = Birds sound etc.. Sphear : Vael (Cut the S, Change P to V, and "R" To "L" these are common sound transitions), Shade/Shadow/Skot : Kudai (Cut the S) (Kudai means Umbrella, but early literature it means under the shade, under protection etc), Stall/Stable : Tholuvam (Cut the S) (Tholuvam means cattle shed), Snake: Naaka Paambu (Naaka is cobra a type of snake) in Tamil "Paambu" is snake. Talk pages are for discussing proposed changes to the main page, not for childishly demanding apologies for an insult that you perceived during the course of an argument that doesn't directly to pertain to English words of Tamil origin. Moved Permanently. Should definition: You use should when you are saying what would be the right thing to do or the right state... | Meaning, pronunciation, translations and examples I have moved the discussion related to orange here. English to Tamil Translator Offline Dictionary app is for those who have been puzzled by any English word and wanted to know what its Tamil meaning is. By the way, you have not answered my questions. âHe remembers how as a 12-year-old boy, he would run to the bunkers every time the siren went off and bombs exploded next to his house.â âThe alarm clock went off and Nicole slammed her hand on top of it.â Tamil paratanāṭṭiyam (applied to the revived form of the dance introduced in the 1930s)"—but Cf just means confer, and does not mean that the compared word is in any way the origin of the English word. How are you sure that the book you cite has not been based on another imaginary work. Thenpulam - temple off the hook phrase. We can still read the old texts — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 23:24, 10 June 2017 (UTC), I said Tamil is the root stock of Malayalam, but "sharing linguistic roots" would be a generalization of that, which could mean many things (eg. How can some one give such a false statement. Kuruvintam is also mentioned. Clearly all those words are "DIRECTLY DERIVED" from Tamil and I request removal of Malayalam from the article. Tamil language are purely speculation" Do you have proof that Tamil is NOT the oldest language. 2. to flip out. "OLD" by "Words Originated Indirectly through Malayalam". The fact that Malayalam was separated from Tamil from 10th century is well known by both tamil and keralite people because of sanskrit influence by namboodhiris. It is still used in Tamil in the day to day workds Naalavathu (meaning fourth) and Naalvagai (meaning four kinds). It consisted of 3 major kingdoms Chera(current kerala),chola(current north tamilnadu) and pandya ( current south tamil nadu). English to Tamil translation dictionary For English to Tamil translation, enter the English word you want to translate to Tamil meaning in the search box above and click 'SEARCH'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 09:44, 6 July 2015 (UTC), Tamil is the OLDEST DRAVIDIAN LANGUAGE. ing , goes v. intr. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC), The reply by Aravind for this message has been given at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_English_words_of_Tamil_origin#Let_us_let_go_of_this_instance_of_incivility_and_get_on_to_editing Doctor Bruno 13:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC). How does this specific point fit into changes made to the article? You have insulted even the Government of India by saying that the Presidential order is Speculation, for which we demand an apology. For wrong sentences, we have every right for an apology, especially for these words which are an insult, Any one has a right to claim proof for a fact. The only other Indian Language that has literature of more than 20 centuries is Sanskrit. a brain has, the smarter the person is., creases, etc.) You are right, Doctor Bruno: people with no background in Dravidian Languages should not make proclamations. What is Wikipedia and other admins going to do for such high handed behaviour. See more. But we cannot tolerate high handed insulting sentences proclaiming false facts. go off definition: 1. [Middle English in sted of, in place of : in, in; see in1 + stede, place; see stead + of, of; see of.] And Tamil is the origin of South-Indian languages. The Army Air Corps That's what " Off We Go For A Haircut" is such a useful introduction for children ages 4 to 8. And I don't understand how a person who doesn't know Tamil can repeatedly make wrong comments about it. Doctor Bruno 12:26, 11 March 2006 (UTC), can i add orange now?? There seems to be conflicting information about whether kuruntam was derived from kuruvintam on the internet. He is shown as a charioteer, notably when he is addressing the Pandava prince Arjuna character, symbolically reflecting the events that led to the Bhagavad Gita â a scripture of Hinduism. Definition of went on in the Idioms Dictionary. What is the ISBN of the Hebrew and Greek Bible Doctor Bruno 12:26, 11 March 2006 (UTC), do not mix ethnic bias with linguistic research. We have done so, you have not.--. Learn more. Let me clear the situation for you. Cigarette/Cheroot - Churuttu -(Cigar made by rolling tobacco leaves). And, what is the issue with "four"? Infact, the core grammar for the language was laid down 1000's of years ago(eg:The Tamil Classic "Tholkapium") along the delta of the river Cauvery and it is still the base for the language. But we don't have any such proof. 2. The present Tamil is still the same as the old one.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nithinprakashz (talk • contribs) 05:38, 16 February 2015 (UTC), Please see the explanation : What to do with such kinds of high handedness. -- Arvind 20:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC), The word for teak in malayalam is tēkkŭ (തേക്കു്)not tēkka (തേക്ക) as stated in the article, unless an archaic form is meant. Doctor Bruno 12:21, 11 March 2006 (UTC), I think the orange origin is extremely suspect. My concern is "how can nohat (or for that matter anyone) tell that the word Nal (or for that matter any word) has been lost from Tamil, where as it is been still used in day to day life. In north-India the word for "one" is "ek". also stop citing from books which dont even have an ISBN. One cannot repeatedly make filthy comments and bluster edits about something unknown to the person.Vayalir (talk) 14:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC), Nohat, based on your writings, I see that, you don't have any qualification to speak in Tamil. Cribananda 01:09, 14 January 2006 (UTC), ) from miḷaku black pepper (transcribed thus in OED, miḷagu in AHD, and milaku in M-W) taṇṇīr, water (transcribed thus in OED, taṇ, cool + ṇīr, water in AHD, and tanni in M-W), is a complete waste. It got the ISBN number when it as again published. Most of the Indian Books do not have ISBN. transitive (kick someone off something) informal to force someone to leave a place or activity He was kicked off the course for failing to hand in any work . Roll/Round: Urul :Rotating or Round, Urulai means Sphere. 1. That's what standards are for, yes? In any case (even if the origin is in fact, from a Dravidian language), "aaru and anju" to give orange is a bit much, though I do find it very appealing being a native speaker of Tamil :) He lost his temper and told her to BOG OFF. Torque / Turn / Drehen(German) : Thiruhi, Thirukku (Thirumbu=Turn Back) etc... Funeral /Funus : Pinam (means Corpse in Tamil) It is well known that the numerals are also known as Arabic numerals in the west since, they, spread it to the west. If yes, then this is the best application for you. In fact Ondru as well as oru means one, I apologize for any hard-to-understand/wrong content that I have written. Here's how you say it. 1. He always carries with him a pocket diary and note down the thoughts as and when they comes to his mind. The general thought is that the more surface area (wrinkles, creases, etc.) And it is not from other dravidian languages. If a book does not have ISBN is it unreliable The topic was whether to move those words away into a separate article in Malayalam. You say Malayalam and Tamil came from one imaginary Malayalam-Tamil. Off we go, into the wild blue yonder, Climbing high, into the sun; Here they come, zooming to meet our thunder, At'em, boys Give 'er the gun! Get a went off mug for your papa Jerry. Finally it is a word in English today but it is still endemic to Tamil and has been in English usage only due to Tamil practitioners of the dance form.Vayalir (talk) 14:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC), Jay aGanapathi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 04:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC), This word for "God" could have come from the common Tamil name for God "KadaUl", this is an ancient Tamil word for God and means (one who had gone above everythings). I've also added the sources (OED / AHD / MWD) in brackets where the article cited them. Even western books say that Orange is of Dravidian Origin. 1. If he is or you are not satisfied, just ask us to give proof. Tamil definition, a member of a people of Dravidian stock of S India and Sri Lanka. Please see. General CommentI'd say this song is deffinitly about Layne Staley of alice in chains and how due to his addiction to drugs he seemed to come and go from the music scene quite frequently. That is the ancient Dravidian Language. Learn basic words and sentences in Tamil language with the help of audio and video. (Ko, sound means "Take as one", in shape to accept something like a coconut half shell , here it refers to the shape that take things as one.). Thaekku - teak, Kirukkukal - scrible Any way, the article is only about a LIST of words and the introduction for that section is not necessary. The problem is, Nohat's comments were uncivil, although borderline. This gentleman who does not have any knowledge about Dravidian Languages should not write such imaginary facts. And today also Tamil is spoken in the same and whole of Cauvery delta, whereas Malayalam is spoken in a nearby mountaneous state Kerala and not in any part Cauvery basin(which wouldn't have been the case if what you said was right). If the Tamil typing is on, type in phonetic English and it will be automagically translated into Tamil. Sudden : Udden (Immediately), Street: Theru (again you have to cut the S :) ). I am afraid that you have not understood what I am telling. A member of a Dravidian people of southern India and northern Sri Lanka. See more. But the list of english words of sanskrit origin page is not written in the same style as this page. 3. 4. ( in German, "Keule" is Leg). Get lost. This entry was recently added to the page: The marking "(Source: OED)" is incorrect because OED lists Sanskrit as the origin for Bharatanatyam. Inspite of not knowing anything about Classical Tamil languages, just because you are an administrator, do you have a right to question The validity of tamil Why don't you apologise for your mistakes and correct yourself. So may be you can consider like this. Orange < Naranj (French)< Naranja (Spanish < Naranjah (arabic) < Naranga (Sanskrit) < Narankai (Tamil) from naran (fragrance) + kai (fruit), What is the source for this? Naaga literally means "that which we need hidden", Side : Idai (Meaning, Sides also means "Flanks of a person") (Cut the S), Throw: Thura, Thuranthu( in Tamil it means to reject or keep away from, one who keep away from worldly pleasure is a Thuravi(monk)), Stack: Adukku (cut the S) In future, in case any English words borrowed from Malayalam of "NON-Tamil" origin come up, then we can think of adding a new article for Malayalam and give a link here as you said.Vayalir (talk) 14:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC), About betel: I think before making any changes to edits, the word must be understood. (unsigned comment by User:126.96.36.199), I think that's quite unnecessary. It is not similar- it is infact the right way to speak even today. That is the major reason for the Tamil words in English. Human translations with examples: smp, falx, à® à®± à® à® à®² , nh à®¤à®® à®´ à®ª à®° à®³ , dro tamil à®ª à®° à®³ . Very interesting etymology here, nevertheless. The apology IS FOR INSULTING WORDS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_English_words_of_Tamil_origin#Let_us_let_go_of_this_instance_of_incivility_and_get_on_to_editing Doctor Bruno 13:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC), I go with the advice of Sundar and other seniors that we "let go of this instance of incivility and get on to editing. This page also provides synonyms and grammar usage of went â¦ ", And Aravind has summed up the controversy very well with very important remarks, which I give here. Since we have enough proof of the fact, there is no point in sticking to the contradiction Mr. Hraefen. It was Nohat who told that "the proto-Dravidian /l/ of 'four' which has been lost in Tamil" WHICH IS A COMPLETELY FALSE BASELESS STATEMENT. Polish : Palinga (Smooth and Shining), Hysteria : Pasalai (The sounds may not match exact, but the meaning are the same, refers to female hysteria), Horse : Pari (The modern Tamil word for horse is Kuthirai, but "Pari" is the old word literal meaning "More it takes away", Taboo: Tappu / Thavaru (Meaning "Wrong" in Tamil). I think you browsed through some quora answers & started mouthing. But those words are well in use in Tamil itself. Please tender an apology for unwanted comments. of 3000 years old(whereas India has a KNOWN 10,000 year old AGRARIAN civilization of which the Cauvery river valley civilization[Tamizh] is a part). get off definition: 1. to leave a place, usually in order to start a journey: 2. to leave work with permissionâ¦. Girl: Kilathi (Lead women, Rich Girl) 1. Definition of off the hook in the Idioms Dictionary. The best idea would be to do that if need and also not remove the words from here.Vayalir (talk) 10:28, 8 March 2008 (UTC), Malayalam and Tamil do not share linguistic roots. Find more ways to say went off, along with related words, antonyms and example phrases at Thesaurus.com, the world's most trusted free thesaurus. Admins or any one should not know what they are talking. We Tamilians can still read and write in that. âHe had looked at her, in a gaze full of meaning, and nodded.â âShe could tell that the piece that was being written before her in Elaine's delicate but rushed writing was full of meaning for the girl.â Corundum as mentioned here is from kuruntam (Tamil). I am sure that this and other related articles will be enriched after this debateDoctor Bruno 13:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC), Single people has bright than people in relationship, I have now replaced the multiple transliterations with the word in Tamil script, and a single transliteration using the ISO 15919 standard. JDoorjam Talk 16:46, 15 March 2006 (UTC), It is not the asking of sources that is the problem. Move! Kuruvintam means ruby in Sanskrit too. Why do you keep on asking about ISBN numbers. Any sources? Armstrong —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 18:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC), American Heritage says that 'copra' is from Malayalam , a Dravidian language related to Tamil. Definitions by the largest Idiom Dictionary. Please do not bite people who are yet to get well-versed with Wikipedia policies. Doctor Bruno 12:30, 15 March 2006 (UTC), A user by the name of Nohat goes on making false claims in this page. Tamil: à®®à¯à®¯à®±à¯à®à®¿ à®à®à¯à®¯à®¾à®°à¯ à®à®à®´à¯à®à¯à®à®¿ à® à®à¯à®¯à®¾à®°à¯. It is notable here that the civilization in west is only a max. So if some one feels that there is not enough evidence to add to the mainlist can be put in this list. Toggle the box to turn on/off typing in Tamil. but that doesnt mean you can use that small victory to go ahead and make a claim as preposterous as "Tamil is the oldest Dravidian language". "The only authorities on the origins of English words are etymologies written in English." Putting it in Tamil is guesswork as far as I'm concerned (unless someone does indeed have a source for this). - You're done. But also, wikipedia is run by volunteers...so why can't it become a little flexible! How to use go off in a sentence. If a light or a machine goes off, it stops working: 2. Pandal: Panthal, Friend/Favour/Free : Parinthu/Pattru/Parivu (Parivu word in Tamil means to show favour or affection), Mad: Madamai (Mada = Moving mind, Not Stable Mind), Oral/Oration/Orate/Oracle : Urai ( Tamil it means To Speak, To give some news ), Villain: Ethiri (In Tamil it means "One who is with the Bow"), Orange:NaarthanKaai (A fruit with smell) (Naatram in Tamil means smell) ("Naa" sound in Tamil means "We Get hidden" like in Naakku, Naai, Naatram, Naakku etc..). If I have some free time this weekend, I propose to split the article into three sections: (a) words generally accepted as having been entered European languages from modern Tamil, (b) words which entered European languages from Malayalam but ultimately come from Old Tamil, and (c) words for which a Tamil origin has been suggested but is not universally accepted. Trans : Thiri (Change, There is a word "Thiritharu" that means Transform), Nerve: Narambu (The strings of musical instrument Haarp(Yaal) is Narumbu), Violence : Puyal (Means "Storm" in Tamil), Fossil : Puthayal ("Treasure/Inside land", Puthai means to Bury), Mud: Maasu -Dirt (also "Mann" refers to sand in Tamil. Therkkan - deccan in English I have asked a simple question to one user Nohat at this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_English_words_of_Tamil_origin or "LOSER!" Proof1: Vettri - victory Boil down Simplify, reduce to the essentials. All content on this website, including dictionary, thesaurus, literature, geography, and other reference data is for informational purposes only. What does off the hook expression mean? Would be much appreciated. Of or relating to the Tamil or their language or culture. I removed 'cashew' because all sources I've been consulting say that it's from Portuguese from a South American language (probably Tupi)  and no source has been cited to contradict this. Why are filling this page up with your whining? Betel is a leaf which was cultivated in TamilNadu(Vettrilei) since the agrarian age 1000s of years even before Malayalam had evoluted. Ukrasa paksi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:4ACD:1302:1:0:F162:7B3B (talk) 14:48, 10 October 2020 (UTC), Anchor word is originated from Tamil word Nanguram. Definitions by the largest Idiom Dictionary. He went to the extent of telling that the word "Nal" has been lost from Tamil. Do not take others' edits of your work personally. A term coined by Donald Trump on his show "The Apprentice" even though bosses used it all the time before.Now anyone who watched five minutes of it thinks it's THE ABSOLUTE SHIT and uses it to say "YOU SUCK!" is it a rule in Wikipedia that Admins can tell whatever comes to their mind. How can a language(Tamil) be spoken as it's own root stock? "He's a gonna" means, "he's going to die soon" No, the normal slang expression here is 'He's a gonner'. What is the solution for this.Doctor Bruno 12:30, 15 March 2006 (UTC), "Talk pages are for discussing proposed changes to the main page", and not for adding imaginary BASELESS WRONG Facts with a malicious indent by unqualified persons. Similarly many books, may not have the ISBN numbers. 7. 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This way we can offer an oppurtunity for further research by the interested individuals. Google's free service instantly translates words, phrases, and web pages between English and over 100 other languages. âTamil keyboard to type a text with Tamil characters â¢ YouTube: Tamil alphabet (video) â¢ South Asia Language Resource Center: Tamil course (+ audio) â¢ studies about the Tamil language, by Jean-Luc Chevillard â¢ On Tamil poetical compositions and their "limbs", as described by Tamil grammarians, in Histoire, épistémologie, langage (2011) Can anyone provide a reference that it is from Tamil?--Hraefen 19:35, 31 December 2005 (UTC). This is just one of the many lies uttered by this user. 'List of English words CLAIMED TO BE of Tamil origin:'. Do you mean to say that a book is not authoritative if it does not have ISBN. That means we had Tamil for more than 20 centuries. It has been already established. I think editors on both sides of this need to take a breather and approach this with a bit more civility. How do you say that Hindu is not authoritative, where as the dictionary you refer is authoritative. --Inbamkumar86 (talk) 09:38, 23 June 2012 (UTC), Jackfruit - The word "jackfruit" comes from Portuguese jaca, which in turn, is derived from the Malayalam and Tamil language term, chakka (Malayalam Chakka palam(Tamil): ചക്ക). A member of a Dravidian people of southern India and northern Sri Lanka. Information and translations of Tamil in the most comprehensive dictionary definitions resource on â¦ I hope you can understand that an encyclopedia cannot cite itself as a source.--, This page was last edited on 10 October 2020, at 14:49. What is the ISBN of the gospel written by Luke and Mark in Sheep Skin. Axle : Acchu + Ach+Chu = அ+ச்+சு = Join inside. Shivaji Rao Gaekwad (born 12 December 1950), known professionally as Rajinikanth, is an Indian actor who works primarily in Tamil cinema.In addition to acting, he has also worked as a producer and screenwriter. Since the seedling(Malayalam) is separated from the parent(Tamil), you cannot refuse its origin. Arvind has given a number of sources at appropriate places above. Learn more. ), Climate : Kilamai (Its a word that defines seven days of the week representing seven planetary bodies including Sun and Moon, also means "under its control"). âHe tried to stand up to get in a better position, gasping, but then the Urg's grip went slack and he limped over, dead.â âAfter a slack tuning (to go easy on the new strings), the instrument was pounded on by a machine to break the key mechanism in evenly.â Since there was no ISBN for the Gospel Luke and Mark wrote in Sheep skin, does that mean that they are not citable sources. But, given how, I have two sources that say < Sanskrit, posssibly from Dravidian (Tamil is Dravidian). So, I request removal of words "OLD" and "MODERN". âHe moved forward to become the top scorer in the innings with 71 when he played a somewhat loose shot outside the off stump to edge Alex to the wicket-keeper.â âThe lower order showed none of the application they had displayed at Mohali, and a number of loose shots were played.â Just because your knowledge and resources are limited, should a work suffer. The Dravidian language of the Tamil. How to use come off in a sentence. Tnash310 (talk) 20:04, 21 July 2009 (UTC). Bible published in 19th century did not have ISBN. The English Phonetics were only compiled in the last century, whereas the Tamil Grammar along with the phonetics were laid down 1000s of years ago(eg.:Tholkapium). My eldest brother in law passed away 3 years ago june 2016. He was in so much pain then i prayed for him and i told him that if he want to go he can take a rest and dont worry about his children, me and my wiblings will take care of them. I removed the following items, which had been added: 1) I believe those words are not borrowed from Malayalam, and are "directly" borrowed from Tamil. Do you mean to say that a book is not authoritative if it does not have ISBN. That does not mean that they are not authoritative. So it is undisputable that they must have a common origin. ; Go off.